Re: figures.

Harry Arthurs (
Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:29:56 -0800 (PST)

clearly my memory must be playing tricks on me: i remember the income as
around 275-300 mil. around the time i left. as to the declining fac:stud
ratio, that doesn't surprise me. without looking at the statements, i
don't know what's in and what's out. for example, the university was
running a campaign during this period. are the campaign contributions in
or out? by and large, what the university can spend on its operating
budget comes from three sources: government grants, fees and ancillaries -
unless earmarked to pay back expenses such as rents being committed to pay
down the cost of constructing a residence etc. usually contracts,
research grants, endowments etc can be spent only for the purpose of which
they are contributed, and thus aren't much help in understanding what has
happened to the operating budget. so what income does your version
include? and what is excluded?

however, that much said, i'm not sure what your point is. if income has
been level for 5 yrs, if you reduce the real dollars by salary increases +
inflation on non-staff items at 1-2% per yr (COL) + special inflation for
certain items such as library, hydro rates etc and other unanticipated
expenses (who knows: law suits? buildings falling apart etc.?) just
looking at it quickly, i would have guessed that the university must have
expenses which would grow by about 10-15% over this period. if that
growth in expenses were not offset by reduced complement costs (fewer or
cheaper people of all kinds) since personnel costs are 80%+, with flat
income york would be in the hole to the extent of, say, 20 mil.

i'll be happy to be corrected on the above, since i am working with (a) no
data except what you have provided (b) a failing memory and (c) no actual
knowledge of what actually happened in the various categories of income
and expense which would affect my rough calculation.

it was like old times yesterday. i remember the first time we ever
discussed this, when i was a candidate for president, you said then that
anyone who wasn't a direct contributor to teaching or research was prima
facie expendable (my words, not yours, but i think the sentiment is
right). i said that these people were essential, even if not faculty
members. and there we were, 12 yrs later, neither of us having learned
much in the interim, but probably believing our respective positions with
even more certitude. anyway, nice to see you. even if we manage to
disagree vehemently, there's no doubt in my mind that you have a great
passion for the same enterprise i believe in very deeply. h.

On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, David Bakan wrote:

> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:14:55 -0500 (EST)
> From: David Bakan <>
> To:,
> Subject: figures.
> The income and expense figures [millions, rounded] of York University over
> the last 6 years:, 1992-1997 [taken from the last audited financial
> statement] [april figures]
> Income, 378,400,362,366,382,386
> Expense, 398,394,376,384,369,359
> People : 1992-1996 [from fact book][november figures]
> Full time faculty down from 1240 to 1125
> Professional librarians down from 45 to 35
> Part time faculty down from1317 to702
> Undergraduate full time students up from 25,335 to26,015
> Graduate full time students up from 2120 to 2416
> David

Harry Arthurs

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