FASC Response

nuri t jazairi (nuri@YORKU.CA)
Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:57:18 -0500

The following is a scanned copy of the the text of a
memo I received today from the Faculty of Arts
Student Caucus in response to my memo to them a week
ago concerning their attendance lrgislation and
activities in Arts Council and Senate. My original
memo and this FASC Response are pposted at:


Nuri Jazairi


124 South Ross - ext.55977 - fasc@yorku.ca

TO: Nuri Jazairi, Economics

cc: Helen Doan, Chair of Senate
Kim Michasiw, Chair of Arts Council
Cora Marie Mickler Dusk, Asst Vice President, Student Affairs Members of
the Executive Committee

FROM: Daniel Ramlogan, Chair of FASC

SUBJECT: Response to Memo dated January 11, 1998 regarding FASC
Attendance Legislation and activities

DATE: January 14,1998

I am writing in response to the concerns raised by Professor Jazairi
surrounding the FASC Attendance Legislation and 'activities' in Arts
Council and Senate.

Before addressing the three points of your letter, I would like to note
that Senate is not relevant to this discussion and I will therefore not
refer to it in this memo. If you would tike to comment on student
senators, please contact Kevin Greenspan at stusenat@yorku.ca.
Furthermore, I would like to offer clarification on the operations of FASC
that may assist in addressing the concerns raised.

To begin, the process of placing students on Arts Council is a democratic
one. Arts student representatives are to be elected by the entire student
body in Arts through formal elections, but since there has never been
greater demand than positions available we have not had to undertake this
process. Details of the guidelines can be found in the Procedures of
Council, (pg. 9) Section V., Subsection ii. As this year is a transitional
one with the caucus achieving full membership for the first time, we may
be required to hold such elections in the coming months. Accordingly, we
are currently developing an elections procedure, which will be presented
to the Executive Committee and Council if it so desires.

I do not believe that any of the matters discussed at Arts Council can be
considered as 'purely faculty concern' since the appropriate forum for
such issues is YUFA. By definition, anything that comes before Council is
a matter for Council's entire body-faculty, contract faculty,
administrators, and students. As a minority in Council and on its various
committees, students realize the value of utilizing the seats we have been
granted to their full potential. Hence, we have taken steps to maximize
our effectiveness while being careful not to violate the rules of Council.

In regards to the Attendance Legislation, we took the rules governing
committee attendance as the basis for the legislation. In addition,
Section V., Subsection i, f of the Rules/Procedures states that 'student
councillors may be impeached through procedures outlined in the
Constitution of the FASC.' The Attendance Legislation is a by-law to this
Constitution. Council is designed to have approximately 80 students at
Council meetings and we are trying to ensure this by holding our members
to a higher standard. The tact that quorum for Council is only thirty-five
voting members may be low, but on occasion quorum would not have been met
without students. If we do dominate meetings, as you suggest, the problem
is not with us since we constitute only 10% of the voting faculty

Your assertion that we 'seem to vote as a block of 60 to 90 students for
or against faculty candidates' is completely unfounded. We have never done
this nor even discussed the possibility, as reflected in the minutes of
our meetings which are available upon request Very rarely do we vote as a
block and only in extreme circumstances where the best interests of Arts
students and/or Council is clear. Furthermore, while in many cases we do
not know the faculty candidates running for election, this is often the
case between faculty members themselves. (We concede that there is a
double-standard since faculty members do not vote for students, but I
stress the minority position we hold in Council.

To address your third point, any students who have been employed in
Faculty of Arts projects while holding a seat on FASC is purely
coincidental. We do not keep record of this and are not involved in
coordinating such arrangements. I find your request for a list of FASC
members who are or have been employed in such a capacity to be irrelevant
since every professor who sits on Council is also employed by the Faculty
of Arts.

I hope my comments have sufficiently addressed your concerns and would be
happy to forward additional information upon request.