riddle to support Lucas

From: Andreea Ceausu (ceausu@yorku.ca)
Date: Thu Dec 09 2004 - 14:34:57 EST

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    Hello,

    I have come to think that Cherniak wrote his "Riddle" story as support for
    Lucas (among others with similar thoughts) that machines can never equal
    minds. Cherniak wrote about this world, that is not ours, but where
    these "people" have minds that CAN be perfectly modeled by machines. So, in
    such a world, if minds can be modeled by machines, then each mind MUST HAVE a
    Godelian formula that it cannot prove to be true. It is in trying to do so,
    that the mind gets spun into this infinite loop of trying to process the
    Godelian formula; hence, the coma that everyone falls into. The only reason
    that Dizzard died was because it took a long time for people to discover him
    and so he died of malnutrition and dehydration - anybody could die of this! As
    long as the body is properly nutritioned, the mind will keep computing, even
    for years and years, until that body is ready to die of natural causes.

    So, these people live in fear of the Godelian formula sneaking up on them and
    sending them into the loop. I believe that each of the people in this story
    has their OWN Godelian formula that they will eventually come into contact
    with; that's why the Autotomy Group could not find a universal Godelian
    formula and isolate it and so save everyone. They had bigger problems: they
    were faced with everyone's Godelian formula and so they searched for a general
    solution. Such a solution would be, by definition of "autotomy," to cast off
    some body part that could save the body from entering in this infinite loop. I
    suggest that this body part would be some small part of their brain that they
    don't really need; I don't know if you need EVERY cell in your brain to be
    human. (Just think of people on drugs whose brains get fryed just a bit and
    they're fine; and I'm not talking about major drug addicts... .) And so, these
    people would then be saved by the Autotomy Group, had they worked fast enough.
    But, it seemed that with their first case, Dizzard's coma, they ran out of
    time.

    That's my opinion! Anyone else see it like this?

    ~Andreea Ceausu.

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